Hoyt/Hite FamilyTreeDNA.com Research Results 2002-2003 Email #1 From: To: Subject: DNA results Date: Monday, July 01, 2002 10:21 PM Dear John, You might have heard from Family Tree DNA that your DNA results are in. They are especially interesting to me in that they are an 11/12 match with my father-in-law. This is a haplotype that does not match any others in the databases so we can be certain that there is common ancestry here, given the rarity of this haplotype. Since our hunch is that my father-in-law's people came from Vermont/NH and therefore could be a John Hoyt/Frances descendant, this may be our first hint that John Hoyt and Simon Hoyt were close kin. It would also explain why we are seeing one mutation in 12 since John and Simon Hoyt descendants (assuming they are kin) have not shared the same ancestor in about 425 years. We will have results from a known John Hoyt descendant in a few weeks. I would like to get in a few more results before we post a general report, but I should also note that this Hoyt haplotype is typical of Haplogroup 21 which is not a European haplotype, but a North African to Syrian haplotype. Obviously, the immigration of the Hoyt paternal line founder to England pre-dates at least 1550 given what we know about the Simon Hoyt line. Since the Berbers were part of the "Moorish" occupation of Spain, some Spaniards and Portguese have this haplotype. It is also not uncommon among Sephardic or other Jewish peoples. Big story from just a little DNA. A very interesting piece of the puzzle. Best wishes. Dan Wharton (and Marilyn Hoyt) <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Email #2 From: To: Subject: Re: Found this Website on Ramses II DNA and his descendants coming to England... Date: Monday, February 10, 2003 11:19 AM Hi John, Yes, the sample from the John Hoyt descendant came in on January 27 so I am hoping we get the results by the early part of March. (Edited some Family out) Meanwhile, the U of Arizona has ties with Family Tree DNA so I am guessing we will have access to data once it is available. There is a relatively new paper out assessing the degree to which continental invaders affected the genetics of England and Wales. Although not central to the study's objective, they do note that about 3% of English men tested are in Haplogroup 21, the same group as the Hoyts. One suggestion is that this reflects the fact that Romans brought middle eastern workers to Britian who often had the choice of returning to their homeland or settling in Britain. Certainly, this could have included men who had kept a family history of being part of the Pharoah's line. Will be interesting to see what the mummy tests say. What is URL for the website? (Insert email-Dear Mr. Hoyt, I am sorry that we are unable to provide those samples, as we do not have them ourselves. Sampling was deemed unnecessary for the mummy's return to Egypt and therefor was not undertaken. Many thanks, Allison Dixon Coordinator of Public Relations & Marketing Michael C. Carlos Museum) Best wishes. Dan P.s. The majority of people in the Hoyt/Hite study are Hites and variations. It may be that far fewer Hoyts feel that their genealogy is unresolved, a factor driving most of the Hite tests. Lots of different Hite lines so very easy to see when two have a common ancestor. In a message dated 2/10/03 5:01:34 AM Eastern Standard Time, jeh49341@chartermi.com writes: << Dear Dan & Marilyn; Hello, my check cleared for the gift of the descendant of John Hoyt 1 wk ago. I see that you have a membership of 35 on the Hite/Hoyt FamilyTreeDNA project, that's great! As you know, I have been trying to find evidence of the Hoyt's possibly being from the Egyptian Pharonic Kingdom's of old. Here is an interesting web site which, possibly, we Hoyt's/Hites might be worth looking into. AND, the Great Pharoah Ramses II line came to England from France in the 1200's. This also coincides with some of the results that Hoyt's were not in England much before 200 years, from the known 1450-1595's of the Hoyt line. I will continue this line of Family Tree 'Search' from those listed in this website from France & England. The other is to find Ramses I, II, III, V & Seti DNA Markers that have been worked up, and see how close we are related. I will contact the Univ. of Arizona, as they did the recent drawings of DNA sampling. Take Care, Happy Valentines Day! John E Hoyt, of the Simon Hoyt Branch >> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Email #3 Pelhamdan@aol.com Saturday, March 01, 2003 10:57 AM jeh49341@chartermi.com John Hoyt, Amesbury etc Dear John, I just got back the results today on the John Hoyt descendant AND also on another Hoyt that only traces to a great-grandfather but believes he is a John Hoyt descendant. They match each other 12/12 AND they do NOT match the Simon Hoyt descendants. This is very exciting as a preliminary result (we will want to get at least one more verified descendant of John Hoyt, preferably from his son Thomas, since our current participant traces to John's son John). I will update the results table I have and send it to you soon. This should be of major interest to Hoyt genealogists even in its preliminary form since this strongly suggests that John and Simon were not kin. Meanwhile, my father-in-law's search for his great-grandfather's parents can be narrowed considerably, searching only the Simon Hoyt line. Many thanks again for all your help in getting us to this point! Best wishes. Dan P.s. I am copying this to my co-coordinator in the Hite/Hoyt study, Richard Hite. Richard is also a descendant of Simon Hoyt. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Email #4 Pelhamdan@aol.com Monday, July 21, 2003 6:12:16 PM jeh49341@chartermi.com; haight1@tampabay.rr.com Subject: Re: DNA match Dear Doug and John, Since you both have uncomplicated genealogies tracing to Simon Hoyt (through sons Moses and Nicholas), it is nice to see this DNA confirmation of your common paternal lineage. In addition, Doug is an exact 12 marker match with two other well-documented Simon Hoyt descendants, one through son Benjamin and another through son Walter. So now we have four of the seven sons of Simon represented. We also have two other Hoyts who did not know that they descend from Simon but are exact matches and close matches (John, your line is the only one with a different mutation, suggesting that the other lines tested are baseline Simon, would undoubtedly see other slight differences if they all had the 25 marker test). My father-in-law who is a match with the majority only traces to a Hoyt ancestor born in 1823. We currently have a hunch that he comes from Simon's son Samuel, so if we are ever able to confirm that, we would have five sons represented. Let me know if there are any questions on this. Best wishes. Dan